Jenn Drummond is a world record holder. She is a mom and entrepreneur as well. She’s Author Of Breakproof: 7 Strategies To Build Resilience And Achieve Your Life Goals 

To learn more about Jenn click here. 

ON THIS EPISODE 

Jenn and I have a remarkable conversation about learning to seek your very own summit. How do we make the most of our lives and leave a legacy we can be proud of. 

• What is your summit? How to figure out what your ultimate goal is in life?
• How to get after those mighty goals
• Learning what really matters in life

Biggest Takeaway

The greatest takeaway is learning that life is precious and we have greatness within that we need to tap into and let out. We are here to live an awesome life and share our gifts with those around us fearlessly. 

Striving For More

Sue
Hi there, today on the show, we have got Jen Drummond here with us. I am so honored and delighted to have you here. Welcome to the show.

Jenn
Thank you so much for having me. I’m excited to be here.

Sue
I am so excited to have you here and get into your remarkable story. You are a world record holder. We’re going to get into this and how this came up for you. Author of Breakproof, entrepreneur, mom of seven. You’re a podcast host. I just love it all. So give us the backstory here, Jen, like how this all came about for you.

Jenn
Yeah, right? I mean, we can get into so many different details, but I will say that I started a career in financial services when I was getting out of college. My friends told me I was expensive. A friend took a job at a place there and he’s like, you’ll make good money, come join me. So I started there and then broke off on my own. And I have a, currently I have a financial service company that I hired myself out of a job to become a stay at home mom.

I was that stay at home mom that liked it, but I wouldn’t say loved it, right? And then especially when the kids got into school and I just didn’t know how to get back to me because I was so consumed with them. I got into a horrific car accident in 2018 that should have taken my life and didn’t. And to be honest with you, it did quite the contrary. It woke me up to living. I realized I don’t get to choose when I die, but I sure get to choose how I live.

And then, when I survived that, 2019 was the next year, was a big bucket list year, right? What are all the things I wanna do? See, taste, try, become, all those fun experiences. And then 2020, I was turning 40. So like, you know what? Looking at my bucket list, I’m gonna climb a mountain for my 40th birthday. So I asked some friends that were into mountaineering, if you could climb one mountain in the whole world, what would it be? They said, amma de blom.

which is a mountain located in Nepal in the Himalayas, means the mother’s necklace, looks like the Paramount Pictures logo. So I was training for that and then COVID hit, and you know, COVID disrupt all of our plans. And I became a homeschool teacher to seven beautiful children. One day my son was struggling with his math homework. I’m like, listen, buddy, we do hard things, you’ve got this. He looks at me, he goes, if we do hard things, why are you climbing a mountain called I’m a dumb blonde?

instead of a real mountain like Mount Everest. I said, I’m a de Blond, honey. Not I’m a dumb blonde, but thank you. Do your homework, we’ll look at Everest. So we did. And then a coach that I hired to train me for Everest gave me a book about becoming an uphill athlete. And in the front of the book, a lady got a Guinness World Record for doing something in the Alps. I had a conversation with my coach and I was like, I could have done that. I can suffer.

Striving For A World Record

Jenn
If I got a Guinness World Record, my kids would think I’m cool. I’m not cool as a homeschool mom. Guinness World Record holder, they learned how to read on those things. I’d be a million, like it’d be amazing. He’s like, I’ll think of something. And then a few calls later, he came back to me. He’s like, Jen, I got the perfect record for you. I think you should be the first female to climb the seven second summits. Like, I don’t even know what those are. He’s like, okay, let me tell you. It’s the second highest point on each continent.

They’re harder than the first seven. They’ve been done by one male. And let’s be honest, seven continents, seven mountains, seven kids, it sounds like a jackpot. So I said, yes. And in June of, June 1st, 2023, I just finished the last mountain. So woohoo.

Sue
Woohoo! Oh my goodness, this is, I mean, okay, God, Jen, I just got the chills. Like, this is so incredible. Like, what does this feel like?

Jenn
Yeah, well, you know, there’s a couple of feelings that go with it, right? So there’s a little bit of sadness if I had to be 100% honest, because the pursuit’s done. It gave me so much purpose and direction for the last couple of years that it feels a little like, oh man, it’s over, like now what? It feels pretty amazing. Like there’s so many amazing memories that happened over the last few years that I just pinched myself that they’re mine. And…

You know, then you have your kid. You come home from the last plane, like the last one. My son meets me at the airport. He’s like, congrats, mom. I’m like, thanks, honey. He goes, you have bad breath. And then you’re like, this is life, right? You do cool things. You’re still a human. You still have to brush your teeth. So it’s just funny.

Sue
Oh my goodness, this is so remarkable. So you know what’s interesting about this is that you do this, like undertake this ginormous feat, succeed, have this world record, and then you’re like, oh, but I’m kind of like, you know, it’s almost like this peak and then this valley, because now, you know, they say like the most, the high achievers and the happiest people, they’re always looking for that next mountain.

or that next peak or that next great challenge, right? So is that how you feel? I mean, what are your thoughts on that?

Jenn
Yeah, you know, I’m an easy start and a hard stop. And I just did this huge thing and everybody asks, what’s next, what’s next, what’s next? And my answer has been, I am allowing myself to experience what is, and I am not allowing myself to step into something else for a year. Because I, like, everything looks like a shiny penny. That looks cool, this looks fun. I mean, there’s so many opportunities and things to do. I just wanna be…

I don’t always want to be doing. I want to be a human being. And that’s a harder thing for me to do at times. So that’s what I’m working on this next year.

Sue
That is beautiful. I love that. And that is, I mean, that’s like, you know, going to be your summit, right? Because like you say, that’s a challenge. That’s going to be challenging for you.

Jenn
Yes!

Jenn
Definitely. Sometimes not doing, right? And anything going on in our lives. If there’s a fight or, you know, there’s an argument that I’m having with a friend of mine to not add fuel to the fire and just like receive and get the lesson and move on, the not doing is definitely harder for me than the doing.

Sue
Mm-hmm. Oh, I can imagine. Um, now tell me, Jen, okay, so seek your summit. I just love that name. I mean, did that come about as the whole summit thing was obviously, right? That’s how it came about.

Jenn
Yeah, so the interesting thing is someone told me to start a podcast. And I wish I could tell you who that someone was because I like sometimes wonder, really? And I started the podcast as take a break. And the reason why was I felt like it was a chance to interview people and have others take a break out of their lives, sharpen the saw with the lessons learned, and then head back into them. As I was climbing the mountains…

I realized the stories that I was really attracted to and like to tell were the ones that of the resilience, right, of the people seeking their summit, trying to make it happen, turning their success into significance. And so I ended up shifting the name late earlier this summer. And I’ve just, yeah, now I’m like, okay, I’m interviewing. I’m talking about stories that I enjoy. This is perfect. We’re good. We’re happy.

Sue
I love that. And the name is just so, just grandiose. You know, it’s such an incredible name and it says everything. So talk to me about, you know, you have this accident and initially I’m sure you’re just like, oh my God, like, you know, you wake up in the hospital, everything’s like different. You don’t even know how you’re going to get on beyond that, right?

point, like at what point does the shift happen? And you’re like, okay, I’m gonna go make some shit happen now.

Jenn
Yeah, you know, it was a series of events. So I had the accident happen. I got home. I had a few weeks later, I had the cops call and they said, hey, listen, we tried to rebuild this accident a few different, like 50 different times. And we cannot build a scenario where you live, let alone walk away. So that was like, you know, I was…

just wrestling with that. What does that mean? Why was I saved? Why am I here? All those kinds of reflective questions were happening. And then a girlfriend of mine went running on a trail that you and I could push a stroller on. It was wet out. She slipped, hit her head on a rock and never came home. And so I had this horrific car crash that no one should have lived in. She did something healthy that we’re encouraged to do every day and she doesn’t come home. And it was in that…

like metabolizing of those experiences that I realized, I don’t get to choose when I die. It’s just gonna happen someday. But I do get to choose how I live. And in fact, I need to start choosing how to live. That like life is limited. We are not here forever. And what do I want my legacy to say? What do I want to my experiences to be? If I only had one year left, what do I wanna do?

And that really gave me permission to step into me and just say, okay, here’s things I like. I mean, I didn’t know what I liked. Sometimes when you have kids or you’re working, you’re just so caught in doing. And when I remember I sent my kids to school, I was recovering from the accident and I started journaling and I bought a 12 pack marker. And I wrote with every color, because I’m like, I don’t even know what color I like anymore. It’s been so long since I’ve checked in with myself.

And so I wrote with the red pen and I was like, no, I feel like I’m correcting myself. I wrote with a yellow pen. No, it’s not dark enough to read what I wrote. This is annoying. And so I settled on the purple pen. Like, okay, I like the purple pen. It’s playful, yet it’s still like I can read it and just things like that. I started going out to restaurants again for dinner instead of eating leftover chicken nuggets. I’m like, oh, okay. I don’t really like pasta as much as I thought. I prefer salads and just little things that we’re all here for a reason.

Jenn
Every one of us is important. And when we learn to embrace our uniqueness and celebrate who we are, we give permission to those around us to do the same and everybody benefits.

Sue
Oh, I love that. That’s so powerful. Now, let me ask you, so you set this super mighty goal to, you know, these seven peaks. Was there any, once you made that decision, like, okay, I’m going to do this, was there ever any doubt or was it just like full on commitment? I’m getting it done no matter what. What did that look like for you?

Jenn
Yeah, I mean, there’s always doubt. I climbed physical mountains. Every day, each one of us is climbing metaphorical ones. There’s not, I don’t know any story where it’s been, yeah, just we’re here, up to the top. No doubts, no questions, no whatever. In fact, if that happens, we get bored and we pivot, right? Like we need that resistance to prove ourselves and find our edges and become who we are. But when I stepped into it,

I’m like, it’s never been done before. So I did have the excuse that, hey, if it didn’t happen, okay, it’s not like I’m repeating somebody else’s thing. I’m doing this for the first time. And in today’s day and age, doing something for the first time is normally pretty extreme because a lot of the easier things have been done for the first time, right? So, I mean, I was nervous, but I was excited to just experience life. Going to different countries, going to different continents, going to different cultures.

learning, having different climbing teams. It became much less about the destination and definitely more about the journey for me. And I think that’s something we all strive, is to celebrate the journey, not just the end point, not just the summit.

Sue
Wow, that is so beautiful. And for you, like what has been the greatest takeaway like from this experience if there were just one thing that you walked away with?

Jenn
Have fun. Like, have fun. We make things hard. We make things serious. We make things difficult. And I just, after that accident, it’s like, okay. This morning I went to my kid’s school to teach a class on writing. And I talked about writing our stories because I just wrote a book. And when I was in there, I’m like, hey, when you make a decision to do something, like I came here today to talk to you guys.

I can make this serious and I need to perform and I don’t wanna embarrass myself or whatever, blah, or I can be here and we can just have a good time. I’m a person, you’re a person, I prepared, here’s what it is, let’s have fun. And I think that’s just a thing that I am gonna have to focus on the rest of my life because it’s not my go-to default mode. I wish it was.

Sue
So even now it’s do you find your it’s more of your default mode?

Jenn
Yeah, I mean, you know, the whole everything’s habits nowadays, right? Micro habits do the habit, develop the habit, but it’s so true. If it wasn’t true, it wouldn’t grab on like it has, right? So once you get in the habit of making things fun and being goofy and being a little more relaxed with yourself, it gets a lot easier.

Sue

And now, okay, so Jen, the book, like, was this your idea? Did it all just kind of how did that all line up?

Jenn
Okay, well, everybody listening, if someone tells you to write a book that’s an author when you’re eating dinner, as if in order brownies or cookies, you get this idea like, oh, it’s not, okay, I’ll write a book, it should be pretty easy. Writing a book is hard. It’s vulnerable and it’s rewarding, but it’s a challenge for sure. And there’s a lot of details that go into it, but I’m so grateful I’m at the point where I get to share the stories.

So the book is titled Break Proof, Seven Strategies to Build Resilience and Achieve Your Life Goals. And the reason why I named it that is because we break all the time, right? We break and in that break, we have the proof of what was working, what wasn’t and what we need to change to be able to continue forward. So I’m not saying we’re not gonna break. I’m just saying that when you break, take the time to reflect.

Grab the proof of what you need to improve on, what’s working, what’s not, and continue on. Because when we continue on our pursuits and we reach that summit, there’s not anything like it. And we all deserve to seek our summits and reach them.

Sue
That is so empowering. What is it like now? This has transformed you into this kind of, I mean, you’re a coach, you’re a sought after speaker, you’re an author, you’ve got this podcast, you’re doing all of these things now. Do you feel a level of responsibility or…

Jenn

I think we all have a level of responsibility, right? Like I need to show up and be my best self so that I inspire you to be your best self. And I have seven kids that I’m responsible for that are watching me to learn how to do life. I’m modeling what’s possible for them. So it’s important that I take that seriously while having a good time because I am a leader. We’re all leaders.

Sue
I love that. And now Jen, as you’re going through the book, you’re kind of revisiting everything. You know, like you say, there’s vulnerability, you’re sharing, it’s challenging, but you’re kind of, it’s almost like you’re replaying everything over again, but with a new perspective, right? So how healing was that? And what was that just on a deeper level, that experience for you?

Jenn
Yeah, you know, some of the lessons that I really enjoyed got cut out because books can only be so long before people get bored, right? So that’s interesting when you’re telling a story, you need to give people that don’t climb enough detail to be there, but not too much detail that they get bored. You have a cadence of material that you want to provide people so they get into a rhythm of reading and they absorb the information easier. And

Then just looking over the chapters, it’s like, oh, these are lessons I need to revisit on a regular basis, right? One of the lessons that I talk about is big mountains take big teams, physical or metaphorical. And I have big goals. And so I need to remind myself, if I’m getting tired or beat up or just like exhausted, I probably don’t have enough people helping bring this goal to the finish line. So I need to recruit more people, get more on board to make it all come together. And that’s gonna help me stay resilient in this pursuit.

Sue
And you know, this is so powerful, this idea of big teams, because so often high achievers are like me, I got to do it, I’m doing this. But this idea that, you know, you’re bringing all these people with you, and they’re also help helping you along and lifting you and getting you to that summit, right? I think that’s not shared enough.

Jenn
Exactly. I mean, one of the chapters is really about waving our flag. We love to wave our flag at the top of a mountain because it signifies, hey, we made it. We overcame all the times we wanted to say no, but we didn’t. We continued on. Like, here we are. But the reality is, is we need to wave our flag our entire journey. I failed K2 the first time. It took me two summits to summit. And I, my flag only got to Camp 3 on the first attempt.

I went down because a teammate passed away in an avalanche and I wanted to be there for my team instead of climb the mountain. And then when I went back, people knew I was coming back because they knew I failed the first time. And I got a phone call about an individual that wanted to climb their country’s prized peak and they didn’t have the resources to do it. Is there something that I could do to help? Yeah, I could help. So now all of a sudden I got to go back, I climbed the mountain, stood on top, and 30 minutes later, this individual…

that will change their life forever stood on top of the mountain too. And that’s the thing, when we wave our flag, it signals to the universe, here’s where I am, here’s what I need, and here’s how I can help. And then all of a sudden you start bringing your people in, you start building your community, and so much more is possible.

Sue
Oh my God, I love that. Like what does that feel like to be able to bring others with you or uplift others, right? That’s so empowering, Jen, like just the power of that.

Jenn
Yeah, when I went to Everest, my biggest concern about climbing Everest was being away from my kids for three weeks. I was gonna be gone for three weeks. I’d never been away from them for six days. So I’m like, how am I gonna do this? I shouldn’t, this is bad, this is selfish. Like all the stories, right, that we write that limit us and keep us where we are. But I told my son I was climbing it, so I was climbing it. I hired help, my mom came in, everything else was fine. I went to the kids’ school.

I said, hey, listen, I’m going to be gone. I’m climbing Everest. I have everything covered at home, but my kids might be emotionally off because I’m not there and this is new for all of us. Can you just offer them a little bit of grace? The school came back and said, let’s do a what’s your Everest campaign. Come in, teach the kids about setting goals. We’ll put little hikers in the hallway. They can put a little, like what their Everest goal is on their flag. And the front of the school will put a big Everest mountain. We’ll have a little character that’s you.

since you have a tracking device, will move you up and down the mountain as you’re climbing. At base camp nowadays, I can zoom in and call the kids at the classrooms and tell them what’s going on. And so when I summited, my kids’ entire school summited. Like everybody was a part of it. Everybody checked in like, hey, I saw where your mom is. I saw what she’s doing. This is so exciting. Da da da. So the thing that limits us has another truth. It has another possibility.

It’s our responsibility to bring that other truth to life and chase after what we desire.

Sue
Oh my God, I got the chills when you were sharing that story. That like the fact that the kids and the school did that, it kind of just takes it to another place, right? And your awareness, Jen, to go in, because so often I find that parents, and not knocking anyone here, I know everyone gets caught up in their lives, but the awareness to really go and check in with the teachers and the school, to let them know, like, hey,

Jenn
Yes!

Sue
you know, if they show up in a certain way, it’s because of this and can you offer that extra grace? Like sometimes, you know, they’re capable, but they don’t have moms like you coming in to just show up in that way and say, hey, can you just have that awareness? And that’s amazing. That’s so remarkable.

Jenn
Yeah, well thank you. Thank you, thank you. I was willing to ask for help, right? I was willing to be vulnerable and not be the perfect parent, to be the parent that went to Everest for three weeks. And instead of letting that be a negative story, we turned it into a positive.

Sue
Wow. Oh my goodness. Okay. So now can you talk to us about some of the strategies here? There’s the seven strategies, but give us some insight into that.

Jenn
Yeah, so there’s seven strategies to build resilience that I talk about in the book. If you pre-order it, you get a whole bunch of bonus material that didn’t get into the book, which is kind of fun. And it’s like day-to-day stuff that we can do. This is one thing I learned when I was on the mountains. You don’t have a mirror to brush your teeth when you’re brushing your teeth on the mountain. So you just look out at nature and you’re like, oh wow, everything’s beautiful. It’s amazing, blah, blah. I remember coming home and then having a mirror again in my bathroom. And I was brushing my teeth and I was picking on myself.

Right, like, oh, I look tired, or I should have used different soap, or is my face breaking out, or oh my goodness, I need to wash my hair. All this stuff that’s not serving me. And finally, I caught myself in it. I’m like, wait a minute, what am I doing? Why am I even doing this? So now I started this thing called the toothbrush talk. And so for the two minutes that you’re brushing your teeth, you’re only allowed to say positive things to yourself in the mirror.

And it sounds like the littlest thing, but it can have the biggest impact. Like life is gonna come at us when we exit our homes. We can not be coming at ourselves inside of them.

Sue
And so, you know, it’s little things like this, Jen, like you going up on that mountaintop, being so removed from all of the just regular, you know, normal comforts and luxuries and things we take for granted. And this insight of brushing your teeth and not having a mirror and just enjoying and being totally present in that like, that’s amazing. That’s so amazing.

Jenn
Yeah, it’s like the tiniest things that make the biggest difference. And I’ll give everybody listening one more. I have a red light by my house and the red light is, I’m on the short side. So I hit it every single time I want to go somewhere from my house. And I used to get so grumpy. I’m like, oh, it’s red light. And one day I finally realized like, the red light doesn’t care that I don’t like it. Like only I care that I hit this red light. And so instead of being grumpy at the red light, I turned the red light into a gratitude light.

So now every single time anybody in my car, we hit the red light, we start listing off things that we’re grateful for. To the point where if we hit the light green, we’re like, oh man, I don’t get to go through my gratitude and reset for the day, right? And so like we have all these things we wanna do, gratitude journals, gratitude whatever. I didn’t have time for that, which then actually made me feel a little guilty that I wasn’t one of those people doing that activity. And then I realized, oh, I can still do it. It just looks different than what maybe you do.

Sue
Yeah.

Jenn
But my life is different than yours, but at least I’m still getting it in. And now I’m turning a negative into a positive.

Sue
That is so powerful. Now, tell us, like, what is your guidance to, not just women, but everyone out there? Like, if you had some life advice for someone who’s kind of like in a woe is me or stuck in struggling space, like, what is that life advice?

Jenn
Um, this is what works for me. I don’t know if it’s gonna work for anybody listening, but I hope it does. I went on a hike the other day. And it’s like, it’s so easy to be grumpy about a hike, right? It was super cold. I grabbed the wrong socks when I was walking, like the socks got slipped into underneath the shoes. It was driving me bananas. My friend that was going with us got sick. Like there was a thousand things that went wrong. I only allow myself to complain about one thing at a time.

So I, in that hike, the first thing that bothered me was my heavy backpack. I packed too much stuff. And so anytime another negative thought wanted to come in, like the ones I shared, I wasn’t a lot, I’m like, oh, I already picked my negative thought for this hike. It’s my backpack. So I would say like, oh my gosh, my backpack is so heavy. Like probably a thousand times, but eventually you get bored with your backpack being heavy. And then all of a sudden it doesn’t make as much of a dent on you. And I think it’s way better to have one thing you complain about a hundred times.

than a hundred things you complain about once. Because then that just gets bigger and heavier. And so if you’re going through a hard time, only allow yourself to complain about one thing. Maybe it’s the day, maybe it’s the hour, maybe it’s the week, that’s up to you. But it really helps you get ahead of it because eventually you get bored with yourself and that one thing that’s driving you crazy.

Sue
Mm-hmm. And do you think this sort of awareness that you’re having now, like, with the gratitude at the light and the awareness when you’re just the simple things, right? Brushing your teeth and then saying, okay, I’m just complaining about one thing. I mean, this all has to be accumulation of these experiences, like going up these mountains and kind of struggling and feeling stuck and being like, oh my God, I’m just, I’m committed. I can’t complain right now. I got to get it done. Right? Is that?

Jenn
Yeah. Well, I mean, you can complain, but then I’ll give you a story. I was on Mount Logan and we were in a horrific snowstorm, like horrific. But when you’re in snowstorms, sometimes you wear goggles that have pink lenses because that pink gives you depth perception and different things that other lens might make it too dark to see or whatever else. So I’m wearing pink lenses. Somehow during the course of the hiking experience, I start thinking that I’m in cotton candy land because everything looks like cotton candy.

And then I realized the rope that I’m tied to looks like a watermelon rind. So then I’m thinking of the song my kids always sing, like watermelon sugar high. So I’m like watermelon sugar high, water like cotton candy, life is good, dah, dah. My alarm goes off on my phone. And it reminds us that it’s time to eat because you forget to eat sometimes at altitude. So I bumped my goggles to get my snack out. And I see that we’re in this horrific gray, white out.

Nightmare of a storm and my energy goes from 100 to zero that fast. And it was in that experience that I realized when we’re going from point A to point B. There’s a million truths. You can wear pink lenses and be on a watermelon sugar high. You can be in a terrible dark place that you wonder why you’re taking another step. Both things are available to you and you’re still going from point A to point B. So you might as well pick the pink lenses.

Sue
Okay, so Jen, I get this overwhelming sense from you that you have kind of like transcended things that so many of us have not, right? Just through your experiences with the car accident, losing your friend, and then the peaks. So do you?

Jenn
Mm-hmm.

Sue
feel that? Do you have this kind of like, oh, the old me versus me now and have this whole just other perspective moving forward that seems like, like a blessing of some sort?

Jenn
Yeah, I definitely have a different perspective for sure than I did before. I’ll give you, my kids, when they got in a fight before the accident, I’d be like, stop fighting. And I tried to manage it and be like, okay, whose opinion is whose? How do we get through this? Da da da. When I had the accident and my kids were fighting about something, I remember sitting there and just watching it. I mean like, oh wow. Isn’t it amazing?

that I birthed both of these humans and they have an entirely different opinions and they care so much about their viewpoint that they want their sibling to feel the same way? Like how cool is that? So instead of making something right or wrong, I’m just allowing the experience to be what it is and appreciate the human spirit.

Sue
Wow. Oh my goodness. I’m like so touched and moved by your wisdom because it’s just, it’s so palpable. It’s so real. It’s so evident like this transformation that you’ve undergone. So talk to us about seeking our summits. Like, what are your thoughts? Why is that so necessary? Why are you encouraging that for everyone?

Jenn
Clarity provides prosperity. So when we have a clear summit ahead of us, it gives us a line in the sand so that when other opportunities or things come our way, we can say, does this bring me closer to that or farther from that? And it just allows you to organize your life in a way that gives you momentum towards things you desire.

Sue
Mm hmm. Oh, I love that, Jen. Now, OK, so of course, I have to ask what is next for you. Like, I know you’re just being right now, but there has to be something in the back of your mind. Like, once I’m done being for a year or two or just taking it easy, I’m going to go do this other big thing. Right? No pressure here. What are you?

Jenn
Yeah.

Jenn
Yeah, no, no. Yeah, I mean, I am taking three of my boys climbing in February. So we’re going to go to Africa and do a climb together. Um, so I’m excited about that. I’ve been introduced to a couple opportunities that sound pretty exciting. I just haven’t taken the time to really dig into them deep enough to say, yeah, that’s what I’m doing next, but there’s stuff. There’s definitely things that are pulling my heartstrings. I just need to, when you say yes to one thing, you say no to a thousand others.

And I want to make sure that I’m saying yes to the one thing that allows me to confidently say no to everything else.

Sue
Wow. Okay. So a couple of things, Jen. First and foremost, you have been so amazing and have just shared so many insights and so much wisdom. And I know people are going to have so many takeaways from all of what you’ve shared.

Jenn
Great. Well, thank you. I’m so grateful to be here so I really appreciate the opportunity.

Sue
Oh my God, I’m so grateful to have had this time with you. And I would love to have you back because I know you’re gonna be up to some other big things and I wanna learn. I want you to share more of what you’re gonna learn on this amazing journey you’re on. And now in closing, if there were just one message, your hope for everybody, what is that closing message you wanna leave us with?

Jenn
Perfect!

Jenn
I’ll do with what we started. I do not get to choose when I die, but I get to choose how I live. So I just encourage you to evaluate the choices that you’re making. Make sure they’re bringing you to where you desire to go.

Sue
What an amazing close. You’ve been so awesome, Jen. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Jenn
Thank you.

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